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  1. I would look to getting a replacement open red button insert without any token security plate fitted rather than the tokens. There will be far more of the plain red buttons around and with that your machine will take any 20p tokens.
  2. BF74

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    This is mine at the moment stripped and getting the full works service.😁
  3. The Gambler Club electro from AFD (Automatic Fruit Designs LTD)... Like many other manufacturers of the era, this company was based in Cardiff too.... Built in 1976 this machine had the the most used feature of being able to gamble by doubling up wins by as much as 8 times. known for their much used large reflective glass made them a good looking machine. Great to see a back view which apart from some dust looks in very good condition and a plus, the very rare schematic is with it. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/265768434258?hash=item3de1087a52:g:aH8AAOSwOqBixXk9
  4. Looks like it came from Louth Coin...
  5. BF74

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    Apart from a chunk missing bottom right of cabinet and not a £100 jackpot😁, I does not look too bad for 18 years in storage.. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/195178307200?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649
  6. Yes its an AWP. its a conversion but not JPMs. It started as a JPM called The Hit back in 1976. with a 40p token top win line, Apart from the win lines it had the "hit" feature when started the feature reel (Reel 1) the player has a number of skill attempts to stop the reel on hit symbol, every successful stop would payout a token. As the payouts went up to 50p tokens It was then converted to a machine called The Marksman in 1977 this was not a JPM conversion. Same game, same feature just different glass, reel bands and background colour from blue to green with new name. This next conversion to The Hot Shot is again the same game, same feature but now on £1, probably on all cash. The conversion is from a private operating company up here in the North East.
  7. Not from the same machine but most transformers were wired the same. Here is a scan of a Bell Fruit transformer wiring for a Dutch electro machine
  8. Received a message from Frank for the forum.... Hi guys, I know I have to finish the history but I have had to look for a new employment. Unfortunately the Williams formula one team took my previous employer for a few quid, like £30 million. I didn't want to wait around, and to be honest they just may brave the storm but I wasn't ready to sit back and be thrown on the scrapheap as I am not ready to put my feet up. I have a new task as Project manager to develop 17 acres of development land and 3 WWII Aircraft hangars so that should see me through to retirement. Promise to come back. Regards to all, best wishes, stay safe!
  9. BF74


    Here is an industry advert from 1981..
  10. The move from 50p cash £1 tokens to £1 cash £2 tokens was actually introduced in Jan 1981 and stayed that limit until Jan 1983 when increased to £1.50 cash £3 tokens... £2 cash £4 tokens did not appear until Jan 1987. I don't expect them having used brand new 83 machines so, they probably just filled the token tube with 10p coins or with it being a Bell Fruit machine, Had the supplier wire the token to the 10p slide in the episode to get the £2 payout. Still £2 cash would have been illegal at that time.
  11. The hold selector board does get a cover of dirt and grease on it's contacts. This timer does not need any lubrication as it acts as a magnet to dirt which insulates the contacts. if you remove the rotary stud board it might look a bit like 1st picture and you can see the difference in the 2nd picture. There are two wires connected to the top of the board, one to the solid centre ring and the other to one of the top studs of the outer ring. wired loops from the 2nd wire will be connected to studs around the board, these are known as 'Live' studs. Towards the end of the game, The hold timer stops for a fraction of a second to search for a circuit via the wipers that run around the centre ring and studs to give holds before quickly restarting. If it stops the wipers on a 'live' wired stud unless a win line appears you will get a hold on the next game. if it stops on a dead or studs with no wires then no hold. To increase the amount of holds, simply add more wired links, all the wired links must be connected in series to the top wired stud without any breaks. Too many holds and reduce the amount of wired studs.
  12. Look at that refill switch, It looks like the small button under the lever arm is in the open position, the switch levers should keep the button pressed. When the refill lock is turned, the lock cam opens the switch and puts the machine in refill mode. The cam arm of the refill lock in that closed position should keep the refill switches closed. Back door open only isolates the meters not the payout's
  13. The second switch was normal for 50p mechs but fitted to the 10p on here to stop any fraud with the top 10p switch of clocking free credits on the credit counter. As the 10p coin tube is a replacement the original with it's tube switch have probably been removed. If this is right then there should be some spare wires close to where the tube switch was originally sited on the coin tube. There should be a refill lock located above the cash box door lock. at the other side of the lock there is a switch. Normally when that switch is activated it stops the 50p change working and clocks up on that meter next to the reels. This was so the tube could be refilled without it dispensing change and to top up a low coin tube. the meter won't work with door open so you would have the same result that when you click the 50p coin switch nothing happens.. check out that refill lock and switch
  14. My apologies I was in error about the tubes as EWTD did have three tubes. this is one of the differences I mentioned that are only with this machine. It's 40 plus years since last worked on many of these electro's and memory not quite as sharp in my retirement today so you will have to make allowances.😁 In my defence, The earlier club machines payouts were from a single hopper and a 5x 50p slide, All the machines manufactured after were just 10p and 50p slides. So if the machine was to run short on 10p coins I'm sure it would still shut off the 50p coin mech but transfer lower payouts to 5p coins until empty. As for the hold motor, all the timer motors are the same 50vac and run at the same speed, It's the gearbox that restricts them to the required set speed for the particular timer it's used for and that's usually 3 seconds per revolution. I have some spare parts here and may be able to send you a replacement.
  15. When manufactured EWT deluxe had 5p, 10p and 50p slots. two coin tubes and pay slides 1x10p and 5x50p each pulse of slide. The 50p coin when inserted should give 5x10p coins change and to keep the jackpot tube filled to payout wins above £2.50p. 10p coins inserted for two credits which filled the 10p tube for lower payout's 5p coins for single credit were directed straight down to the cash box.. The 50p coin tube had a level switch fitted on the tube so if the 50p coins reaches a level below the switch it would activate a light at the bottom left of the main reel glass so the operator was made aware the tube was low and could refill the tube via a key in the front refill lock. To save 10p tube starvation a level switch was fitted so when the 10p coins reached a level below the switch in turn it would activate and disable the 50p coin mech and keep the coin lockout bar across the coin entry preventing 50p coins from being inserted. With the 50p coin mech disabled, the machine could only be played with 5p and 10p coins, as the 10p coin tube filled back up, the coin level would reach the switch and enable the 50p coins.
  16. There are still some Louth Coin converted machines around still today.
  17. that's another help when looking as to which connector the wire came off, usually it's much cleaner than the others. it may not be wiring, if one of the switches is shorted as the small buttons did collapse under the roller arm leaving the damaged switch part inside in either short or open circuit.
  18. Ok, my problem is this. my machine is only identical to the point we are at now. On second picture of the timer with the three wires with orange and red hoops, the 5th wire along (orange with red hoop) from the left is on the centre connector. try it on the top connector as are the other two to see if it does change anything? The two machines (including mine) both manufactured before EWT are the same spec. the two machines manufactured after EWT are virtually same in spec. Each Way Treble Deluxe however has differences including timers so are the timer switches and wiring/colours. As the schematic for this machine is one I'm short of in my library, I really could do with finding a schematic of the machine to trace and correct the faults. If no progress, can you go over all the timers for ANY loose or broken spade connectors and replace which will eliminate one of them being the cause.
  19. This part may take a while longer to go through as there are differences between the win system on mine compared to your machine
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