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After a great visit from the lads,Chris left me his Ten Up to sort out with a niggling fault with the gamble reel and apart from the repair I'm giving it the service treatment too.

The fault is now repaired of which I will explain at end of the thread but onto the service first by removing the main control panel for strip down...

All the spade connectors had gone through a recent check and replacement so saved me a very big time consuming job, all the timers were in typical electro condition picking up dirt on a machine after many hours of use. the main control timer with it's cover off to show the condition.

Starting by the strip down of all the main timers and relays from the control panel leaving just the wiring and cam switches..

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The hold/nudge timer is a part that was the centre of attention when it comes to an electro machines % payout, many operators removed the live wire links needed by the unit to give holds and nudges, even super starts (Depending on the game) to the player, by reducing the links drastically cut down the chances of obtaining holds or nudges making the game terrible to play.

The condition of the stud board and rotary wipers can also contribute to the lack of holds/nudges too, A build up of dirt and grease insulates these contacts preventing the timer from operating and giving the player the holds/nudges during play.

Pictures show the build up of dirt and after cleaning.

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Very good ron,looks like that is getting the life saving treatment.Great thread,im sure it will work like new when you have been round it

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This is ideal Ron, I love this kind of thread. On my electro someone’s had a go at the timer, as the game plays terrible, and the super start doesn’t work, watching this with interest. 

No doubt this one is going to be golden by the time you have worked your magic!

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Wow,I can see a difference already Ron.

For those who don't know already,I sourced

a spare control panel and reel deck for this machine

and swapped both over to see if the fault was eliminated.

However the problem still remained!

So I suspected a wiring fault or a fault with one of the timers.

 

Just to say,I will leave Ron explain further on this

But more importantly, thanks massive for this mate.

I was hoping you'd do a repair thread for this.

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Great work Ron marvelous to see .Ron is there a set pattern to the links that we should all follow /copy .I assume there was a factory setting for these nudge timers.?

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Good question Nick, BF did wire to a factory setting but this has been totally destroyed over the years by the greed of operators, Now it's personal taste.

The hold timer board consists of a single solid inner ring and a studded outer ring, the motor spindle has an arm with two wiper blades, one wiper runs in permanent contact with the inner ring the other runs across the studs as the motor turns.

Wired to the board are normally three wires but not always. looking at the normal hold/nudge selection there is one input wire which goes direct to the centre ring and the two output wires are connected to the studs,  usually holds down the right hand side and nudges or super start in this Ten Up application down the left.

 

This is how I have wired Chris machine.

The input wire is the grey/brown wire direct to centre ring

The brown/black wire is the output for holds, you can see the Red wire linked away from the output to 5 stud connections around the right side and bottom of the board.

As the machine is Ten Up and no Nudges, The yellow/red is the output to the Super start and linked away with green wire to 3 studs down the left side.

A machine with nudges will be wired down the left just the same.

There are no limits to links you can connect right around the board as long as the two main outputs holds and nudges or Super start in this case do not connect together and recommend at least a gap of one empty stud between any of the two output links. the more links wired then the higher % of holds/nudges are offered. as this was the only way to control % payout is why so many operators disconnected the links.

If this configuration is not enough then all that is needed to increase the holds is to wire up more links, if too generous then reduce wired links.

The standard BF hold/nudge timer works like this, Once the start button is pressed and the main control timer starts to turn a cam switch stops the hold timer motor for a milli-second and transfers the feed from the hold timer motor to the input wire connected to centre ring, as the timer motor has stopped then the wipers will also have stopped. if they stop on a live stud (wired) then a circuit is made across the wipers down to either the hold relay so player gets hold at end of game or down to nudge relay if stops on a wired nudge output stud giving a nudge after reels stop.Stopping on an unwired or open stud then nothing is offered. All of this action is completed in one click of a cam switch.

The more studs connected to the output wire, the more the machine will offer holds or nudges.

As this action time is so quick is why I advise to keep the studs and wipers clean of dirt and grease to ensure the best connection.

 

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Thanks Ron didn't get all that but got the jist of it and I guessed you had a plan for a average/good % set up anyway .my sng is in the garage so cant see how you've done that one as it came from you but itwas just about spot on with nudges and holds .thanks for the picture s 

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Fantastic subject and thread Ron.

As technical as it all sounds to some

of us who are brain dead on these types lol

Ron puts this across to us all very well.

Makes me appreciate this class of

machine a lot more.

I did exactly as Ron suggests above to enhance

my own Nudge Gambler.

Ha,it was so generous it kept emptying lol

But I then converted it to 10p play and £2

20p tokens jackpot by changing the wiring behind

the 5p and 10p mechs around so when you put

10p in it went through the 5p input and 20p

token through the 10p input...simples.

It still has the 5p pay tables except jackpot pays

10x20p tokens instead of 10x10p tokens.

With those links wired up you get more holds and nudges

ballancing the game play.

I have played quite a few electro's in my

many years. Bell Fruits,even Brenco's and penny 

machines.

Thinking about what Ron said about greedy operators 

removing payout links makes me suspect this the

main reason for their demise in arcades.

Thanks for posting on this Ron.

Every collection deserves an electro machine.

Edited by Line Up Chris
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Stripping the timers down for cleaning was the next job

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Sorted, cleaned and rebuilt..

Check all the relays next

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Only one relay was of concern,

The black marks inside the cover are a give away that it has come from a payout relay position.

240vac flashes across the pins when it fires the payslide and causes burning, this one relay had suffered damage to one of the arms and contact so just replaced the relay.

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Everything cleaned sorted and replaced back onto the main control panel now completed...

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4 minutes ago, Ben Moore said:

Amazing work Ron how do you clean the rust of if you don't mind me asking

I use this Autosol, it's great for cleaning electro parts.

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4 minutes ago, BF74 said:

I use this Autosol, it's great for cleaning electro parts.

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Have used that in past too lol for some fruit machine parts gives them a great shine and protects them 

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Absolutely corking read Ron, that’s looking like new 👏

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Well done Ron, it's nice to see something that's had a lot of care lavished on it. All this electro mech stuff reminds me of when I was an apprentice for the GPO (as it was then) working in Strowger telephone exchanges. Give me relays any day to all this silicon stuff!:lol:

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Great work Ron. Bet you didn't think you'd still be keeping your hand in all these years later !.

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It will be like

Getting a new machine when this

comes back to me.

Ron really is...The main man👍👍👍

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7 hours ago, sulzerned said:

Great work Ron. Bet you didn't think you'd still be keeping your hand in all these years later !.

Too many years Nick, Seriously considering making this my last year.

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Have to say ron,that will be better than new when you have done.Cracking job.But who would expect anything else from the expert.Really good thread

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1 hour ago, BF74 said:

Too many years Nick, Seriously considering making this my last year.

That would be a shame, you are such a source of knowledge, but I get it, it’s bloody hard work 😓 

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