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New to modern(ish) Fruits, looking for advice please!

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My fruit machine background is in older Bally EM slots, and I've also done a lot of work fixing and restoring pinball machines, and I decided I wanted to have a play around with a more modern fruit machine.

 

So I found this not far away on Ebay and I think the price was OK...  It's a Club Casino Crazy

 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/250-Jackpot-Super-Casino-Fruit-Machine-/113948097856?nma=true&si=8Kqi7r7tU8xHb6cOQFtQmyPaAIc%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

 

Like the Bally slots and pinball machines, I want to dig in and understand it better.  So a bunch of what probably appear to be dumb questions to get me started if that's OK.

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    I think this is a JPM machine, although I've also found reference to Crystal (I didn't pick it up yet).  Which is it?

  • Is a manual and/or schematics available somewhere, either as paper or to download?  What generation of JPM machine is it?

  • Common things to check/fix?  For example I know a lot of machines have a battery on the MPU, that's the same with pinball and on pinball machines we always move the battery to a remote mount.
  • Any "must read" threads on here, or elsewhere, for someone new?

  • It has a £250 jackpot.  How much money should be in the machine to make it worth playing? 

  • The coin mech will need updating to the new £1 etc, is that something I can do or should I send the mech off to someone?

 

Just trying to get myself some grounding before I start my fruit machine journey.

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I made a forum donation too, I think there are some downloads here that might help :)

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Hi, yes it's worth having. Most common to fail is the procceser board with battery on.

As for the coin mech, it can be up dated to new coinage.

Usually at least £300 in pound coins to fill the tubes up as well as about £40 in 20p coins. 

Hope the mpu board works.

P.s. didn't realise it's a worker!

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Seen that CC club bargain for it mate,

as in generation do you mean tech? It’s JPM Impact

Coin mech can be updated what model do you have? I’ll recommend someone 

Just full the tubes, although new pounds may not fit.

Recommend to remove and wire battery. These processors have been reproduced now and are quite repairable but you will want to get the battery away anyways. 

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Thanks for the info. I'm picking the machine up on Friday and will check what coin mech is in there. Cross fingers the tubes will hold the new coin OK. 

 

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It's not to much of a job if the tubes need doing.

JPM impact is a great tech, as said have a look at the cpu/processor card straight away, if there's the slightest leak or alkaline damage around the battery it needs to stopping. It's within 30mm of the processor so it needs cleaning.... lots of cards carry on being eaten after the battery has been removed. If it's attended it too it should be reliable. Voltage regulators are also slightly troublesome but it's easy to replace. 

To get into engineers mode open the back door and push the test button on the main board... you can go into lamp test, set your volume etc. You've also got a refil key, which is a switch barrel. They're the same on all fruit machines. Have a read about that too. It's a fantastic machine... enjoy 😎

 

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5 hours ago, MattyL said:

It's not to much of a job if the tubes need doing.

JPM impact is a great tech, as said have a look at the cpu/processor card straight away, if there's the slightest leak or alkaline damage around the battery it needs to stopping. It's within 30mm of the processor so it needs cleaning.... lots of cards carry on being eaten after the battery has been removed. If it's attended it too it should be reliable. Voltage regulators are also slightly troublesome but it's easy to replace. 

To get into engineers mode open the back door and push the test button on the main board... you can go into lamp test, set your volume etc. You've also got a refil key, which is a switch barrel. They're the same on all fruit machines. Have a read about that too. It's a fantastic machine... enjoy 😎

 

JPM impact is a great tech I agree, just my issue with the PSU killing 2 of my motherboards.. that’s probably very rare for that to happen.

Have you got any recommendations with doing the tubes? Sanding them down doesn’t really work, I have to unjam mine quite a lot very annoying.. mainly CC club and GUAB club most troublesome with the new coins 

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Keep sanding away, get all the way down the tube, marker pen where they get stuck and work those areas. Polish afterwards. Once it's wide enough all the way down you shouldn't be any jams

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36 minutes ago, MattyL said:

Keep sanding away, get all the way down the tube, marker pen where they get stuck and work those areas. Polish afterwards. Once it's wide enough all the way down you shouldn't be any jams

Mark pen is a good idea! Cheers mate, I just taped and paper to a stick lol. You do the sand?

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I used paper wrapped around some old wardrobe rail. I didn't muck around though... properly attacked them and kept chucking handfuls of £1's until they fell unrestricted. You have to put a fair bit of effort in mate 😎

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Cheers mate, will try again soon. Your idea of marking where the pounds get stuck should help :) 

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Or do what i do,get a new acrylic tube with same O/D  and slightly bigger I/D.not expensive and works a treat.

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Yeah using new plastic tubes will work too be advised you will have to cut slots and locate your tube sensors and cutout an overflow. Both methods are totally acceptable methods though it's swings and roundabouts 😎

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Impact is generally a solid tech to go with, with just the battery on the Processor card poss causing issues (Sometimes the PSU can give strange issues, like series 90 / stake / prize key faults, but is rare), however as a preventive measure if it's all working, just wire the battery off the board, so if worse case it leaks, it will not wipe out owt vital.

Also worth taking a look at the attached tech guides..... though not for this actual machine, they are still very useful as a guide to the JPM Impact system.

One last thing, because Impact PSU's use a massive Toroidal style Transformer which surges a bit on power up, use a 5amp fuse in the plug, not a 3.

JPM Impact v1 And v3 Tech Manuals.zip

JPM Impact Club Dip JP - PPP settings.zip

JPM Impact Vogue Short Tech Manual.zip

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Most a impact 2 manual / tech info exist? Would be cool to post here for archive sake :) 

Cheers for the other links mate 

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Thanks for the links. I think I've tracked down an original manual; if that works out I'll scan that too and post it up here for others to reference.

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3 hours ago, Snux said:

Thanks for the links. I think I've tracked down an original manual; if that works out I'll scan that too and post it up here for others to reference.

That would help us who have a CC club mate (me included) :) 

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9 hours ago, -Crest- said:

Most a impact 2 manual / tech info exist? Would be cool to post here for archive sake :) 

Cheers for the other links mate 

Not that I know of (Certainly never seen one), but quite a few (Not all, especially some of the Crystal Rebuilds..... I know some use a strange export style cards on v3), are comparable on both v1 and v3.

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So, picked up the machine yesterday. 

It does work, but is certainly in need of some TLC, possibly not such a good buy, but as it's my first I'll learn a lot from it.

Just about caught the battery in time, looks nasty but hasn't spread.  Cab has been broken into at some point in the past but not too badly, just a little wood glue needed in one corner.

Coin mech is a C435A.  Is it worth getting this one reprogrammed for the new £1, or is it cheaper (thinking about postage) to buy one already done from Ebay?  I see one on there for £33 including postage.

Some lights out, got some new bulbs coming in the post.  A few of the bulb holders have lost a tag, so don't clip in properly (on the right side in the photo for example).  Any idea where I get a few replacements?

I'm sure there will be more things as I dig into it :)  Manual arriving shortly I think.

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Thanks for that.  I've done a lot of repair work on pinball PCBs over the years, and nasty battery corrosion is often an issue on those too.  Fortunately this one has been caught in good time (just), no creeping blue death under the mask.

One thing that I don't seem to find is full schematics of any of the boards, or wiring diagrams for the cab.  With pinball machines all of that was published by the manufacturers (including wire colours) so is easy to get hold of.  I guess that kind of information was for internal use at JPM only?

 

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