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Hi all,

Need your expert advice!  I'm looking at trying to get my glass reproduced, I know theres an old thread on here about it but no recommendations. 

The issue with local companies are they can not replicate the mirror effect used on my glass, and offered either white or a fake chrome look (which will look pants).  I just wanted to throw it out there seeing if anyone knew if any company(s).  The companies I approached locally are fantastic, but don't offer this kind of service or detail.

They did say the technique used on the glass is an old fashioned way of production (which just goes to show how good they were back then if they can't replicate it now!!), and can only offer a large sticker/vynal print AND cannot reproduce the blacked out sections behind the glass, so any suggestions would be fantastic!!

Cheers all :) 

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The mirror effect is not something anyone seems willing to produce these days, if you want something possibly vinal is the way to go and sacrifice the mirror effect

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Cheers Andrew, yep it does look that way, approached about 5 local places and they was told they couldn't.  I thought I'd ask as a lad on YouTube posted a vid of his machines and one he had glass reproduced on, and that one had the mirror look.

I did leave a message in the comments a couple of weeks ago, but sadly hasn't replied :(

Thought I'll post a plea on here :)

 

 

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They was mass produced back in the day, and I heard there was someone doing glasses for maygay M1 a good few years back, I think they was some kind of conversions kit, I can’t remember now, but maygay actively went after him and got him to stop with threats of copyright and fines etc, the person that told me this knew this as he knew someone from maygay and was going to ask about what was needed to be able to (licensing) and if maygay would go after people that produced new PCB’s for maygay machines, but he never did even ask for me! Just a long line of promises that never happened!!

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Ahh maybe that was the thread I read on here.  It did go all quite!  That's mad, it went to that stage.  I mean I think if anyone wanted to get the glass remade professionally then that should be a service they offer at a cost, we want to get it done, so fining some one who can do this when they don't even offer the service themselves is just stupid.  I approached SG games who look like they've taken over barcrest, they told me to email them, and never heard back.  These companies do themselves no favours, as we are willing to pay :(

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no this was years ago what I described happened!, sg gaming won't deal with public, just people that can prove they hold a licenced premises gaming licence

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Yeah makes sense, annoying but make a sense.

Hopefully someone on here may suggest someone :)

 

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Try andy backhouse,he has an advert on ebay,apparently he can do mirror surrounds

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Fantastic thanks warlord!  I'll do a search now, hopefully he's still doing this :)

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Yes,as Andrew says

Glasses were done in bulk orders.

I printed thousands of fruit machine glasses

and the reel bands too.

It was all done on silk screen printers.

First you'd have a clear glass mirrored 

and the silver parts on the glass were printed ,and the

rest washed off.

Then it was black print

Then course in turn 

Finally while backing.

Any backlit symbols or

hidden words were printed in

Grey or black at the end.

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Each colour including the silver mirror

was printed through stencils that were applied

onto the silk screens and every different colour was

done one colour at a time and allowed to dry first

before the next colour was added.

We used automatic and manual silk screen printing

machines.

The automatics,you fed the glass in one side

and the glass would come out printed on the other.

All we had to do was to check for registration

I.e,everything fitted into the right places on the glass

and machine.

The manual printers,we would lift a silk screen,place

the glass underneath,and used a squeegee to print

across the glass over the silk screen.

Did this job as an apprentice 1980-83 in Cardiff.

Did tons of JPM stuff.

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7 hours ago, Line Up Chris said:

Each colour including the silver mirror

was printed through stencils that were applied

onto the silk screens and every different colour was

done one colour at a time and allowed to dry first

before the next colour was added.

We used automatic and manual silk screen printing

machines.

The automatics,you fed the glass in one side

and the glass would come out printed on the other.

All we had to do was to check for registration

I.e,everything fitted into the right places on the glass

and machine.

The manual printers,we would lift a silk screen,place

the glass underneath,and used a squeegee to print

across the glass over the silk screen.

Did this job as an apprentice 1980-83 in Cardiff.

Did tons of JPM stuff.

Interesting to read Chris, I would imagine it was quite an interesting job, and would have kept you busy.

Thanks for the insight.

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Chris, if you were given the equipment, could you still do it?

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1 hour ago, Brigham said:

Chris, if you were given the equipment, could you still do it?

Would love to do it again.

It was a very interesting job and

there was a lot of work and people involved during

the process,but the job demands a minimum

of 2 people not including an experienced glass cutter, silverer

and stencil photographer and drawer/writer.

That's how it used to be done.

It has probably advanced significantly since then with digital

photography etc.

Would be interesting.

But I suspect be a very expensive process now.

On leaving my apprenticeship,I worked for another silk screen

printer and they did mostly reel bands,and used a different

technique again in a reverse order of the norm using white rather

than clear bands.

Where the print was on top of the band rather than underneath!

So black was the last colour rather than white!

It was very confusing and easier to make mistakes with registration.

I didn't work there long though.

 

The company I did my apprenticeship with was called

Visual Arts Studio

Sanitorium Road

Cardiff.

 

Wonder if it's still going?

Ha,loved working there as our factory ran alongside the Radyr freight

only railway line and used to see and hear the class 37s going

past on the coal trains whilst I was printing hundreds of

Eachway Nudger glasses lol😆😆😆

 

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On the subject of glasses, here is an article from 1980 on Applied Screen Print LTD.

coin slot August 9th 198008012019_0003.jpg

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Cool article Ron.Thanks mate.

Yes that looks very familiar to me.

Wonder if Visual Arts Studio Cardiff

were ever mentioned in coin slot.

Now that would be another interesting read.

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Awwww!

Just googled Visual Arts Studio Sanitorium Rd Cardiff.

Doesn't look like its there anymore.

The place did have a sign outside but not showing in

Google maps picture below!

Had many a laugh in that factory.

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Edited by Line Up Chris

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46 minutes ago, Line Up Chris said:

Cool article Ron.Thanks mate.

Yes that looks very familiar to me.

Wonder if Visual Arts Studio Cardiff

were ever mentioned in coin slot.

Now that would be another interesting read.

Which years were you there Chris and I will have a look if there is anything on the company?

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Very interesting read chris 

One could only hope you were doing this today...

That would be cracking business to have 

If one could get around the copyright 

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1 minute ago, Line Up Chris said:

Copyright is probably another issue tbh.

 

sadly yep, even if the manufacturer is long gone, someone, somewhere owns the name, and logos etc, and yep they do go after people flouting it! Gottlieb is one pinball manufacturer that really aggressively goes after people reproducing even there circuit diagrams! or posting them online! even there old stuff from 60's and earlier, they let no one get away with anything! just try and search for any gottlieb pinball schematics!

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