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good work dude,nice to see these things getting the tlc they so deserve.and what a pleasure it is to play on a mint machine when finished.its so satisfying to play and enjoy some hard work.

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Having replaced the Rifas in the yellow label PSU that came with the machine it was still lifeless, other than a hum - nothing lighting on mainboard - I suspect I have a blown diode, either in the rectifier or on the PCB.

 

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With a few spare units on the shelf I grabbed one, an orange label, that had been re-Rifa'd previously - the MPS1 board that had come in the early case didn't boot (not particularly surprised as the socketed chips look like they need pulling and cleaning), moving to the next MPS1 in the pile, I tried one that I had run some time ago in a SuperNudgeGambler, albeit recording previously that it would only operate for a short period before stopping and without sound, lamps, display - it still booted, which is something after several years in cold storage, but although accepting coins, was not necessarily registering the credit and would not recognise the start button being depressed so onto number 3 and bingo, a more or less fully working board - after replacing blown bulbs in the machine (the reel illumination is from 2W 5mm wedge bulbs), the only lamp that doesn't seem to function now is the Crazy Bonus feature lamp, unless it flashes quickly and I keep missing it. Anyway, here's some video

 

 

I've fitted a MS111 still programmed for the original coinage but have some work to do on the coin handling (some tubes damaged and missing) - be interested to see a shot of the coin handling of an original ReelCrazy if anyone can pop up a photo

 

Will be testing some more boards today and hopefully trying to fix a few - more later ...

Also need to clean up the coin tray, feed chute and front door hinge and get them temporarily refitted until they can be professionally refinished

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Thanks for the vid Paul. What a beautiful machine this is. Just love everything about it. Its colour scheme is lovely for a dark arcade back in the eighties. As you know Paul I love the 3 bells for 20p instead of 10p on most Jpm 2p machines. And I think its great when you get a crazy bonus and you get two 3 of a kind wins as you did with the Cherries and Oranges. Brilliant work getting those Melons aswell on Nudges.  This machine always gives the impression that the player is on top but without you realising it takes its cut. Lovely machine Paul. Jpm at their best. You've done a good job on it.

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haha, i've always got the opposite impression from this game - the machine is always on top, unless the player is very lucky!

I think £2 from a tuppenny stake is too much of a stretch, £1.50 was bad enough!

The Crazy Bonus feature is a nice touch tho.

I have to be honest, i'd rather have a RC now (back then I always played CR, and always lost on it)

 

Q for ya - CopperWin or CopperRun?

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great  vid  paul  thanks  for  the  memories   copper  run for  me  .!  you  ve  done this  machine  justice  and  well worth  the  effort 

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haha, i've always got the opposite impression from this game - the machine is always on top, unless the player is very lucky!

I think £2 from a tuppenny stake is too much of a stretch, £1.50 was bad enough!

The Crazy Bonus feature is a nice touch tho.

I have to be honest, i'd rather have a RC now (back then I always played CR, and always lost on it)

 

Q for ya - CopperWin or CopperRun?

I think you are right about the stretch from £1.50 to £2 jackpot at 2p play. It did make it a lot more difficult to get the jackpot certainly on rebuild machines by Pcp or BWB, although they made up for it in gameplay terms.  On my Take 2 Jpm made the oears 20p instead of 40p, where as had the jackpot been £1.50 they would have still been 40p. Its a fantastic machine though and does give a lot of Super Holds and skill chances. Its great that on your CR your pears are still 40p with some very generous bells at 20p.

In answer to your question for all I love CR and I do love it so much, it would be Copperwin for me, though I have almost given up hope of finding one. Both machines Copperrun and Copperwin are in my top 5 to own machines.  Going back to what you were saying about stake/prize ratio. Jpm,s 5p £2 were excellent to play(system 80) You wont get a better play for your money than on Steparound.

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No recollection of ever seeing a Step-A-Round in the flesh but the 5p/£1.50 TopSprint was ok  :)

Had a feeling you'd go for CW - one day ...

I'd love a bash on CopperAccount one day - be interesting to compare it to CR

Yeah, pears for 40p, grapes for 60p ... reminiscent of another JPM-based tuppenny ...

 

cheers Nick - got a means to test MPS hardware again and it's something of a novelty having another back-lit reel machine in the house (only other is S&G)  :)

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Re the reel illumination bulbs - they should be 1 watt!  2.2watt will burn the bands I think!  from your video it looks like thats happened already.

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Its a great little brother of Reel Crazy.   I used to play reel crazy for hours when I was 17!!  There was one round the corner from Norville Optical which is where I was working as a trainee for my first job.  Little arcade round the corner from the factory had a reel crazy and a few other MPS titles . 1995 it was, happy memorys!

 

 

they also had a Hellfire video game in there and I still love that game to bits to this very day. If I ever see one of those out in the wild I will be hauling it out of there lol!

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Re the reel illumination bulbs - they should be 1 watt!  2.2watt will burn the bands I think!  from your video it looks like thats happened already.

Looking at page37 of the manual, they are just shown as lamp '0' (top), lamp '1' (middle) and lamp '2' (bottom) - havn't found any ref. to output yet.

 

All the reel bulbs were 2.2w miniatures as far as I can tell, not just those in the middle reel and the outer bands are ok (well, they have splits and so on but not mangled and clearly heat-distorted like reel-2 band)

I've replaced the lamps that were blown with 1W, as that is all I have here at present and they seem as bright as the 2.2's, which is handy  :)

 

Superb machine Paul and great video , it looks immaculate :clap:

Cheers Stef, glad you enjoyed it, I can assure you it isn't  :)  but does look a lot better than it did  :)

Play-testing a board last night, I managed to gamble a 10p win up to £1.60 (whereupon it stopped me going for the £2JP - had to bank the win down to continue the gamble). Up to this point, I had always found the cash gamble very tight so was pleasantly surprised when it allowed such a good win. Guess it's all part of getting to know a game and discovering it's secrets  :)

A long Crazy Streak with wins on every spin always tends to put a smile on my face.

 

Its a great little brother of Reel Crazy.   I used to play reel crazy for hours when I was 17!!  There was one round the corner from Norville Optical which is where I was working as a trainee for my first job.  Little arcade round the corner from the factory had a reel crazy and a few other MPS titles . 1995 it was, happy memorys!

 

 

they also had a Hellfire video game in there and I still love that game to bits to this very day. If I ever see one of those out in the wild I will be hauling it out of there lol!

If you look at the image on the KLOV page http://www.arcade-museum.com/game_detail.php?game_id=8103, HellFire is shown built into a Missile Command cabinet, still with original MC side-art - cheeky!

 

So yeah, if by wild you mean abandoned wild, then deffo a go-get-the-van-and-trolley job!

 

 

Been looking at some of the other MPS1 boards since last night - have 5 complete in total - got another running after changing the CPU (the one on it had broken legs) and it ran well for a while. After about 100 plays it developed a fault with drive to reel-1, which then proceeded to randomly stick and judder rather than spin. This fault then moved to reel-3 so after looking at the manual, I initially suspect a faulty IC9, the TMS7041 processor (interestingly, they never appear marked as such, instead CF24800NL?!)

 

Having said that, looking again at the board from the alu case that would not boot and lifting the socketed chips, I discover a broken leg (pin6 - under magnification it looks to be an old break) on IC4, the TMS9902ANL that, upon consulting the manual again, is used to communicate with the reel drive processor, the TMS7041/CF24800NL, so now also considered a suspect with the reel drive faults of the booting board above.

 

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The main TMS9995 processors seem prone to developing significant tarnishing of the pins over time/use, albeit without the added problem of the finish actually delaminating from the legs like their 9980 predecessors, which does make it marginally easier to clean them (although still lost a leg unexpectedly this morning whilst carefully cleaning with 240grit - a break right at the top of the shoulder too, leaving nothing exposed outside case to solder too ... good job i've got several partially stripped boards from which to raid spare parts!)

 

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Anyone know what MPS stands for?

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I always thought Mps stood for Micro processor system but Im not sure. Ive often thought that myself.

 

Paul I agree about the 5p £1.50 Top Sprint or as I  call it the £1.50 £1.50 Top sprint. Gameplay wise it is better than Win Sprint.

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I think the reason for the strange part numbers is JPM had these parts made by a specialist supplier .  They are the same internally , just the package numbers are different.

 

Unusual for a reel fault to move around like that tho, I would suspect the solder joints at the connection plug.

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Yes, bit odd - the movement led me to suspect IC's rather than transistors - the problem then caused a boot fail as the MPU would not spin up reel-3 on start up, causing an alarm.

 

Couldn't find a problem with the IC's but discovered 2 duff drive transistors (Q35 & Q47) - having replaced them, all 3 reels spinning on start-up now and playing ok so far, although a lamp issue has appeared - lost illumination on reels 1 & 2!

(the Crazy Bonus feature lamp however, is now working - was a bad lamp holder/diode).

 

Metering the 16 ZTX600's (Q33-48) in-circuit gave clear indication of bad transistors I discovered (belatedly) today, which is nice if its possible to rule them in or out quickly with any subsequent reel-related issues - the bad transistors were reading between Collector and Emitter (around a volt), as well as Base (1.2v), on the board.

 

Because cover/contents page of the manual mentions "MPS1 System", I guess the 'S' in MPS might not be System (and obviously with System80 and SRU before it, MPS1 was not JPM's first MicroProcessor system!). Some reference to everything coming together on one board perhaps?

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modular processor system perhaps?

 

Microcomputer processor system mabye also- as it has an on board reel computer.

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Been busy over the w/e testing the stack of MPS2 boards i've acquired inadvertently - of a dozen, only one currently boots - the one that was in the machine when purchased and displays the same absence of all lamps, display and sound that one of the MPS1 boards showed. That (MPS1) board now has most lamps working, having found a pair of bad transistor arrays (IC34 and IC35) - the 'COPPERRUN' lamps still don't activate and this evening I noticed the pair of new ULN2803A I dropped in are in place of ULN2823A's - don't know yet if they are a good substitute or if there is a vital difference between them - I remember buying them to repair MPS the last time around so either I made a glaring oversight or deemed them compatible - not sure which now as it was a long time ago.

 

The board with the previously dodgy reel drive (fixed) that lost reel illumination on reels 1 & 2 seems to have cured itself - a bonus! It soaked without fault for a good 4hrs handling plenty of play and attract with no issues and then lost sound - the tones replaced with a constant distortion/white noise, so further work needed there.

 

Finally got round to removing the rust and loose paint (powder coat) from the coin tray, chute and outer front door hinge today - they need a sand with some finer (120/240) paper to loose the abrasions from the 36grit stripping disc (or a temporary coat of paint, if I have a black aerosol kicking about - undecided at present as to leaving them shiny until they can visit a metal refinishing shop or giving them a lick)

 

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Working on the non-booting pair of MPS1 this evening - much to learn of this tech but enjoying the challenge!

 

Q: Does anyone have a Reel Crazy Personality Pack? And if so, any chance of a copy? There is a copy of the later rebuild RC paperwork in Downloads but i'm obviously looking for the original manual - it would help with the repair of some of the dead/faulty boards as I only have the one MPS machine to run them in.

 

edit, another current mystery is the lack of a Todays Best Crazy Streak Win displayed - at first I thought it might be due to no battery fitted on the MPU (but that would surely only affect the machines ability to display it after a power-off) so a dodgy transistor array/driver IC/diode(s)/resistor(s) on the display board?

The decimal point is displayed and the pair of 7-segs either side of it display zero's during start up. The UDN2981A and MC14511 have been changed, diodes metered for good measure but still no Best Crazy Streak ... missing something, assuming it wasn't written out of the program!

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Been busy over the w/e testing the stack of MPS2 boards i've acquired inadvertently - of a dozen, only one currently boots - the one that was in the machine when purchased and displays the same absence of all lamps, display and sound that one of the MPS1 boards showed. That (MPS1) board now has most lamps working, having found a pair of bad transistor arrays (IC34 and IC35) - the 'COPPERRUN' lamps still don't activate and this evening I noticed the pair of new ULN2803A I dropped in are in place of ULN2823A's - don't know yet if they are a good substitute or if there is a vital difference between them - I remember buying them to repair MPS the last time around so either I made a glaring oversight or deemed them compatible - not sure which now as it was a long time ago.

 

The board with the previously dodgy reel drive (fixed) that lost reel illumination on reels 1 & 2 seems to have cured itself - a bonus! It soaked without fault for a good 4hrs handling plenty of play and attract with no issues and then lost sound - the tones replaced with a constant distortion/white noise, so further work needed there.

 

Finally got round to removing the rust and loose paint (powder coat) from the coin tray, chute and outer front door hinge today - they need a sand with some finer (120/240) paper to loose the abrasions from the 36grit stripping disc (or a temporary coat of paint, if I have a black aerosol kicking about - undecided at present as to leaving them shiny until they can visit a metal refinishing shop or giving them a lick)

 

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Working on the non-booting pair of MPS1 this evening - much to learn of this tech but enjoying the challenge!

 

Q: Does anyone have a Reel Crazy Personality Pack? And if so, any chance of a copy? There is a copy of the later rebuild RC paperwork in Downloads but i'm obviously looking for the original manual - it would help with the repair of some of the dead/faulty boards as I only have the one MPS machine to run them in.

 

Gonna start on a couple of boards tommorow! some good pointers here

 

Its going to be interesting trying to learn a bit more about how they work!

 

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Paul as regard to the Best Crazy Streak not displaying. This is switchable by the dip switches. Not sure which but Im fairly sure vinny knows as he had a RC at one point.

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Ah! Nice one Alex, yes of course, the DILs - hadn't thought of trying them, just like I hadn't thought (until after I posted) it's highly unlikely the glass would have provision for Best Crazy Streak if the program didn't include it!

 

It's a shame the option switches for each game weren't displayed on a sticker inside cabinet (or maybe they were but changed during conversion so were removed and only listed in the CR conversion manual).

 

Flicking one on before power up doesn't result in a series of zero's displayed after set-up has completed but i'll check the SuperShot manual which is in resources, in case that has any clues ...

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Dip switch number 1 needs to be on for the machine to show it

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Thanks Rich - yeah, that's done the job (SW4, dip1 on MPS1, after the first Crazy Streak feature has been played).

 

If you've a Crazy, reckon you could take a couple of measurements in milimeters? Distance from top outer edge to centre of lock hole on both the outer front door and inner cash box door?

 

edit, MPS = MultiPlexSystem?

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if noone replies with measurements by the morning i will measure for you . i bit busy tonight and machine is stuck in darkness .

 

help if i can dude :)

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Thanks - could I trouble you for a photo of the coin handling whilst you're there? Basically everything on left hand side when standing at the back of the machine (top to bottom). This one looks to have been messed around with and a shot of the original setup would be useful for comparison and correct refitting.

 

Found the cause of the loss of game sound (replaced with constant distortion/white noise) to be a faulty SN76489AN, the Digital Complex Sound Generator (IC50) - well, hopefully that was the cause - needs soaking again to ensure another component is not causing the DCSG to fail ...

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some pictures for you :

 

outer door first

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inner door now :

 

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hopefully you can decifer the measurements in mm from the pictures .

 

here are some pictures of the coin handling in my rc . sorry now for the poor pictures the machine is shoehorned in and i can pull out to spin it round to take pics easy .

 

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more pics on next message ..

 

rich

 

 

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more pics of tube set up in my rc :

 

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rich

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