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  1. BF74

    JPM, my view from the inside. Frank Bird.

    A blast from the past in 1980 for Frank.
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    Dutch export, Here is one of the machines from 1980 Rich..
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    Electro virgin

    It only accepts the old big coins 5p &10p or shilling and two shillings as they were pre decimal.
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    Electro virgin

    Saw these machines up for sale and great to see they found a good home. Good point with the Kicker is it's glass is still original and the Bars 50p token win decal has not been scratched out in favour of a £1 cash sticker. If you remove that yellow sticker on the reel glass that says all wins paid in cash you will reveal the original print to say wins over 20p paid in tokens.
  5. Now that would be interesting.
  6. As many electro threads get swallowed up in the other forums and now Mecca has an ever increasing number of members both collecting and showing interest in Electro machines. It is with great pleasure to announce that Pete has very kindly let me have this seperate forum dedicated to ALL electro machines. The 70s electro guide will move over to this forum and if there are any electro threads/restores you would like to see moved to this section please post. Welcome to all. :) Regards,Ron.
  7. I can't wait to hear your JPM experiences from that era Frank, I worked and operated with an independent company after leaving BF and Indeed it was Colin Taylor at CTL that tempted me away. As he was a distributer for many manufactures in the 70s I think JPM was his favourite as 80% of the brand new machines sent up to the new North East operation from his Leicester base were JPM. For the clubs to start it was Super Chance and Money Multiplier but AWPs were varied, a few names in similar around the same time you might recognise Mr Nudge, Target Four, The Hit, The Joker. I can see why Colin sent so many Super Chances up here too.😁
  8. No problem Frank, it's getting sorted and will pin your thread too so it won't drop down the listings and members can easily access. Regard's, Ron.
  9. This thread is constructed to form a guide into the working actions of the 70s electro-mechanical machine. References will be made using my own Bell Fruit Super Nudge Gambler as the base machine one of the most popular electro's built in that era. To make sure that all the machines actions are fully explained will take some time,so I will post each step at intervals to allow for any comments or questions for those not sure. As the components such as relays,timers,cam switches are different from the modern machines layout,so best start with the aid of pics to show and label the main components used in the machine. All these below can fail at any time and will be the cause of many breakdowns,those and other possible faults and remedies will be explained during each part of the guide. To answer what might look as two pics the same,yes the Hold timer and Feature hold timer both look and are the same style but seperate timers, both however control different stages of the game cycle and will be explained later how & which one controls each part of the machines game. 1. Coin Switch 2. Cam Switch 3. Covered Relay 4. Open Relay 5. Cam Timer 6. Hold/Nudge/Lamp Flasher Timer 7. Feature hold/Variator Timer 8. Reel Solenoid 9. Reel motor/Drive belt 10. Payout Solenoids 11. Main Control Panel 12. Power Supply
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    electro ebay

    The Gambler club electro from AFD (Automatic Fruit designs). A follow up to their previous Super Jackpot only this one has higher jackpots. No inside pictures as usual to show condition.
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    Bell Fruits been sold (with others)

    For me the death of the A.W.P. was the removal of tokens to all cash machines, After all AWP was Amusement With Prize.
  12. Welcome Frank and If I'm right great to meet someone else from the electro era.? Money Multiplier was one of two club machines (Superchance was the other) from JPM we installed into North East clubs. This pic brings back memories.
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    Crediting up Electro's

    Removing credit counters for single coin credit on electro's was simply to avoid tube starvation. With the credit counter that could hold a vast amount of credit and the later introduction of the 50p coin for change, if the machine went into a high sequence of payouts there would be the chance of very little amounts of coins going back into the tubes to refill so run empty, Most electro AWPs especially only held £14 in 10p coins. Adding strimming which became a serious problem on the S1 mechs so a credit counter would assist many a scammer. Pub landlords in the 70s were culprits for not helping tube starvation by using the 50p mech for change, the 50p for 1 credit and 40p change was brought in to help deter them. Although good for holding multiple credits, credit counters did have a drawback of regularly sticking either preventing the correct credits being added or the subtract solenoid jamming, even return spring breaking would prevent the count down of credits resulting in free plays. If you wanted to make an electro with single coin entry machine into multiple without adding electronic circuits you would virtually have to either add a relay and timer switch for each credit or a rotary stepper unit.
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    Bell fruit electromechanical

    That's right they are the busy bee type and could be a different colour however if it's a later electro mech it could have the anti strim black plastic cover fitted to the back of the mechs in which case the coin switch will be hidden within the black cover. Any pictures of the machine and inside the back would be a great help to identify.
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    take the back cover off and you might find a soldered link wire between those two pins, I have found a couple of those mechs with link wires in them.
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    Bell fruit electromechanical

    Here is a coin mech out of a Bell Fruit electro. the switch is marked with yellow arrow, it's the thin wire from that white plastic bit on that switch which is tripped by coins dropping out the bottom of the mech. The wire can be tripped by hand too, If none of the switches on all the mechs still don't work then looking for another fault. the switch may not be black and could be blue even red in colour.
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    peter simper fruity

    looking mint, outstanding work Simon.
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    Bell fruit electromechanical

    First try ALL the coin switches by hand, the wire that the coins push down once through the mech may not be getting pushed down far enough to make the switch work. this will also test all or if any are actually working.
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    Super Nudge Gambler

    just checked back for the listing on that sng glass it was in auction for £12. and didn't look like it sold.. this is link to seller Steve. https://www.ebay.co.uk/usr/chaosmongers?_trksid=p2047675.l2559
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    Project golden rings has arrived

    The reel bands are same as JPM used in early 70s with squares around the symbols but never seen a JPM electro in that cabinet. As it has no manufacturer logo or I.D. on glass or cabinet I would say it's more likely to be a converted AFD base machine.
  21. looking in the back is not too bad so for the payout fault I would start with easy bit first and the 10p payslide coil, the tend to desolder from the two spade connectors on the top of the coil and causes short payouts.
  22. Over the years a few had had a go at converting Electrocoin games with their own programs and some suffered too when Electrocoin took them to court. Others like Concept Games got license from Electrocoin.
  23. Now that is or was a MAB with the round buttons, I memory serves the plug fittings are different on the two PSUs
  24. You could be right about MAB converted machines too as they fitted those chrome panels to the older Electrocoin cabinets